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Healthy Eating Ideas in times of Covid-19 coronavirus

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Oct 24, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    We could of course try and debate this forever more but it is actually pointless as we know a low carb / healthy fat diet is the healthy diet. It’s all in the New Scientist so it must be true :D

    Trying to debate all this is pointless. It simply wastes time. The case is proven it’s just that it’s difficult for some to accept and others don’t want to accept it. A bit like smoking a few decades ago.
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    Yeah on that I don't treat NS as gospel it is a news magazine and a good one and a fair one, but it is not gospel for any subject :D
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    Well I had a nice rump steak tonight cooked in butter, first time for a while.
  4. Anon220806
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    Exactly. And their reference to bad cholesterol has been noted as there is no such thing as bad cholesterol - it’s just another one of these myths that people trot out because they have been brainwashed into thinking that way. We need cholesterol. Our brain needs it. If anything we don’t get enough of it on a low fat egg free diet. The internet is full of myths and that is one of them. Again we know this to be true from the evidence available now.

    What typically happens or has happened is that the western world and the rest of it have been frightened into avoiding cholesterol and consuming a low fat diet. As a consequence lipid values have been knocked out of kilter and that is what can be seen in test results of a lot of the population. When all that is needed is more cholesterol anD more fat in the diet to correct the condition. Not statins. We have all been fed a big fat set of lies.

    Yes. I know, one can trot of and find the opposite on the internet. Yes I know some GPs and some Health care professionals are still advising from the myths of the past however GPs and healthcare professionals across the land are changing over because they have to. They have to because they cannot refute the evidence. Of course there is also a lag with the public at large which is understandable and amongst the public there is of course some obstinence, same as for cigarettes.

    Dr David Unwin is pleased that the New Scientist has picked up on the whole thing as it is part of the re-education process that needs to happen.

    Some good news is that Some Filipinos have caught on to this too.
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    Getting Keto stuff over here is a problem, almond flour for example half a kilo 250 peso. I have to look very hard in the larger stores to find keto friendly food.

    Yes, some Filipinos have caught on the keto diet and selling keto cakes but expensive. Made a fat bomb the other day taste was okay for first time.
  6. Anon220806
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    It’s the same here really Jim. Almond flour is over £10 a kilo here.

    And also the same here, some businesses are making low carb food but it tends to be expensive. So for this reason we make our own. A kilo of almond flour isn’t lasting us much more than a week.

    This sort of thing has led some observers to say that it isn’t affordable for many to go lchf and is a problem in some areas where GPs say that in their catchment people are relying on food bank food and struggle to go low carb. On the flip side it is also said that ground beef and eggs are a cheap source of food for example and once we cut out the takeaways we then have money available for stuff like almond flour.

    Mrs Ash and I discussed this just a couple of days ago. For the wealthy in the Philippines they can of course go lchf as they can finance it but by contrast for many Filipinos if what they are eating mostly comes from their own garden and their own livestock or from fishing etc etc then they are probably eating a reasonably low carb diet anyway.
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  8. Anon220806
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    I should have added that almond flour is a lot more filling. We made some cookies using almond flour and they fill you up very easily. The almond flour obviously comprises protein and fat and that is the reason why it is more filling. So more bang for yer buck than wheat flour.
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  9. Anon220806
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    Someone posted the pages on Twitter so have read it. The problem with the high carb option is that it fails to deal with insulin resistance and T2 diabetes and associated obesity and hypertension.
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    Have a look at this @oss. It reflects the changes going on across Britain. It is not some wacky ill conceived idea dreamed up by a bunch of cult following geeks. It’s real change driven by evidence. However we can choose to ignore it. The choice is ours to make.

    What you see on the New Forest website is not isolated. It is just their latest version of how they address metabolically related disease. It is very useful to those that cannot forget what they have been told in the past. The approach is being repeated in many places now. But of course there will be those that cannot cotton on to the messages.

    The group is the NHS group of surgeries, 4 of them, in that region. So each of the GPs in each of those surgeries will be advising their patients according to this website. Just because your own GP doesn’t follow those guidelines doesn’t mean they are not appropriate. It just means they haven’t caught on yet. :D

    Why not consider this useful advice?

    Watch out for a radical revision of the “Eatwell Plate”. It is just about to be radically revised and will be a relic of the past.
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    Matt Hancock in 2018

    “The health secretary has spoken about how he lost two stone by cutting out carbs, as he called for an overhaul of Britain’s lifestyles.

    Matt Hancock said he achieved his weight loss in three months by eliminating bread, potatoes and pasta from his diet, in order to prepare to compete in a steeplechase race.

    And he said improvements in healthcare technology and wearables could help those struggling to lose weight to “take control” of their daily habits.

    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in China, Mr Hancock said that tackling Britain’s rising obesity levels is one of his priorities as Health Secretary.

    "I want to have a debate in the UK about how we keep healthy and also about how we personalise health,” he told The Telegraph.”

    Ask yourself @oss , why hasn’t Matt Hancock followed through on this? Why did he use a low carb diet to lose 2 stone but not apply it to the country? I know why. Try and think of the reason rather than trying to counter my post.

    Why are 100000 people in this country dead owing to Covid19? Ask Matt Hancock. He knows. What difference has the cycling to work scheme made? Any? And why not? Ask Matt Hancock. He knows.
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    By the time we wait for the clinical studies it will be too late. People get too hung up on clinical studies. They aren’t always necessary. And not always available yet we have to make decisions with or without them. Waiting for a clinical study can be too purist in approach. Interestingly nobody wants to fund clinical studies on anything that isn’t going to make a profit so they rarely get done.

    I won’t be waiting for the clinical study on this. :D
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    Yes. There is a lot of things that NHS doctors don’t test for. Another example is insulin resistance, for which there is a reliable test but most GPs aren’t willing to pay for it.
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    Why governments and that includes this one, don’t do what they ought in cases like this is indeed a mystery. I posed a similar question. Why doesn’t this government alter government guidelines on food in such a way that the nation is no longer metabolically challenged. It is all to do with money. Because the government isn’t giving out the right advice we as individuals have to do what we need to do, where we can.
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    Well I certainly didn't wait I have habitually using 4000IU daily Vitamin D dose since March 2020, Dr John Campbell started out at 1000IU but I noted in this video that he states he is on 3000IU daily now, I suspect he's adjusted that because it's winter now.

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