'Glimmer of hope'

Barrister for Mohammed Zahid (65 yr old leader of grooming gang and child rapist of vulnerable children in care):

"Clearly, you must pass a sentence that is just, proportionate and reflects the offending, but I would ask you to pass a sentence that perhaps allows him a glimmer of hope that at some stage he may be released."

Rather than put these kind of people away for life, it would be a better use of public resources to just to shoot the buggers.

But that is a way out so they don't have to live with what they have done! He got 35 years and it should be 35 years. He and the rest of them should be cast amongst the sodimites in institutions across the land, let their incarceration be long, painful and unwanted on their part sexually violent

Just a waste of bloody money - state the country is in better they spend it elsewhere.

Average time spent on Death Row in the States is 20 years, and everyt8me the hearings go to appeal a full review of the crimes etc goes public, not great for the victims. Incarcerated them and let them be forgotten

I'm truly confused now - I thought you were disagreeing with me ?

I am disagreeing, while I accept your view on cost of keeping them alive is a cost that can be spent elsewhere, I belive your view of shooting them isn't the way forward.
If you look at figures in America, sentenced to death can mean a long time on the Death Row average 20 years, and each time the sentence is to be carried out in many instances there is a last minute reprieve normally after a review where the crime is normally discussed generally published and this cannot be good for victims or and their families.
I believe that they should be incarcerated for the FULL sentence and basically removed from public view for the duration

Ahh I see my bad I misread "incarcerated" - I thought you'd put "incinerated" - projection I think psychologists call it

That sounds like a good idea - I remember seeing a movie, COMA, where they kept people on minimal life support - sort of suspended from the ceiling - alive but in some kind of induced coma state... perhaps that would be more humane.


Good film as I remember - 1978 version didn't realise they'd done a remake and mini series !

Just a thought - the cost and time it takes to process the asylum seekers perhaps they could do the same for them - must be cheaper than a hotel etc.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...emony-jailed-seven-grooming-gang-members.html

I take it our governments are still poncing about having a full public enquiry into these grooming gangs ?

Another plank in the Reform platform ?

Let me guess the majority of these grooming gang members are Muslims ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36k2595k69o

Exactly - he'll be 100 when he gets out if he lives - waste of tax payers money putting him in a hotel (albeit 1 star) for 35 years.

Coming back to UK for an extended stay next week. Depressing reading about the state of the place.

I'll sure be looking forward to returning home to the Philippines.

Ahh the international break...

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts...

As you probably know, I haven't been there for years but from what I gather many high streets are boarded up or half boarded up... taxes and rents too high for businesses to survive with the cost of living crisis and all that... Doom and gloom or what !

Fortunately, I've now sold my flat but I was bloody worried the government might start encouraging those who own the empty high streets and empty office space to re-purpose it as residential accommodation... gulp

My brother told me I wouldn't recognise it now ... anyway, take your umbrella and coat and have a nice break

Saw this one today, made me laugh...

"Had the worst day ever. I paid a joiner to build me a double bed and he's done a bunk.

It's just one thing on top of another."

I need some medical treatment...preferably on the NHS. Yes, I know....I only paid a third of my wages into the system for 50 years, and those poor refugees are entitled to more free stuff than I am.

20 years ago now but my mother and father used to have BUPA... not sure if that still entitles you to jump the queue or whether the queue is so long it doesn't make much difference !

I need a 'AAA' operation...urgently, as my largest artery could burst at any time.

Reading up on the situation, it seems that NHS 'rules' state that this must be done within 8 weeks of diagnosis (ie, following GP or A&E visit, both of which I'll try). I do have an NHS number, and an NHS record of some ultrasounds...and their results (a 'Small' AAA then). When your life depends on it, probably you try a bit harder to get 'things' moving.

Thanks for the suggestions, and helpful info', Aromulus.

Had that op just after we got married.. may 2016

Well, you still seem to be alive...so that's a positive.

Mine measured 55mm diameter on an ultrasound about 10 days ago.