1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Elderly should do community work or lose pension, peer says

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Bootsonground, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. Bootsonground
    Offline

    Bootsonground Guest

    Older people should lose their pensions if they refuse to do community work to stop them being a “negative burden on society", a former senior Whitehall official has suggested.
    [​IMG]
    Lord Bichard said the elderly are a "negative burden on society" Photo: Alam




    Lord Bichard, an ex-chief of the Benefits Agency, said the elderly should get rewards and fines to make sure they are taking a more active part in the world.

    The crossbench peer, who also chaired an inquiry into the murder of two Soham school girls, suggested the same tough attitude towards benefit scroungers should be taken with older people.

    “Older people who are not very old could be making a very useful contribution to civil society if they were given some incentive or recognition for doing so,” he told a committee of MPs.

    “We’re prepared to say to people if you’re not looking for work, you don’t get a benefit. If you’re old and you’re not contributing in some way, maybe there should be some penalty attached to that.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...WgjokyBJydx4kmcJXSEGoX92fIczRLlkcuDg_j7f9lOs8
  2. Aromulus
    Offline

    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Go fort and multiply. Paid my dues, I earnt my pension. If I want to watch wall to wall Netflix on my supadupa50"incher 4k smarteverything tv for the rest of my life aint got anything to do with anybody else. I hope he passes a hedgehog on his next toilet visit
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  3. walesrob
    Offline

    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    Never thought I'd say it, but how about feck off, Lord Bichard.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. Markham
    Offline

    Markham Guest

    Bichard is a buffoon. I would not be at all surprised to discover that he had some part to play in the long-running scandal surrounding the assessment interviews claimants often have to endure with the result that even corpses are declared fit for work (okay a tad hyperbolic but you get the point).
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. Bootsonground
    Offline

    Bootsonground Guest

    To think I have paid no taxes to help support these imbeciles for many years fills me with glee and an
    almost an un explainable joy .
    For those of you that are still forced to,you have my deepest and most sincere sympathies.
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 18, 2019
  6. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    This is a 2012 story!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. Bootsonground
    Offline

    Bootsonground Guest


    Thats F.B for you and at least it`s not fake news!! lol
  8. Aromulus
    Offline

    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    The hedgehog wish still stands
  9. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    its probably took him this long to pass the hedgehog.
  10. Bootsonground
    Offline

    Bootsonground Guest


    I just broke the world belly laughing championship record...Yes it still hurts.
  11. graham59
    Offline

    graham59 Banned

    2012 or not.

    Has he tried getting a 'proper' job in non-ageist Britain (lawyers and politicians excepted, of course) ? :rolleyes:

    ...And as for getting into a disco...:oops:
  12. Drunken Max
    Offline

    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I think that more options should be there for the retired to do things but it should always be voluntary. Its usually someone who has had their asses wiped for them all their life who does not realise what is required to facilitate this for people who may have some frailties. When my dad was alive and went on a SAGA cruise, the doctor told him ( after an angina attack ) that they have more "cold storage" on Saga cruises.
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Heathen
    Offline

    Heathen Active Member

    My good Lord can go forth and multiply, (not literally one of him is more than enough) He is yet another so called peer that doesnt live in the real world, but no doubts he claims his allowances £350 per day ? for attending the big house. People that paid there dues under the rules that existed at that time are entitled to what they paid for, end of, I myself now have two jobs, and if things go according to plan its my intention to carry on working for at least another 15 months or so, but if others wish to spend there retirement in a leisurely way then they are entitled to do so.
    Its bugger all to do with anyone how one spends there hard earned retirement, how about the good lord finds ways to get the Benefit scroungers into some form of work..
    • Agree Agree x 2
  14. johncar54
    Offline

    johncar54 Active Member

    I am 79. I retired from the police in U.K. when I was 48 and came to live in spain. For over 20 years I have been a volunteer translator with the police in spain. I see no reason why I should do my bit for free to help other.

    PS. The job I do would not be done if I did not do it for free , as the police would not pay someone, provide a job if I was not there, so I am not taking a job from someone who needs it !
  15. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i think something has been lost in translation.
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. oss
    Offline

    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    John I understand where you are coming from, I marked Malcolm's post funny just because he is pointing out a logical inconsitancy.

    I am guessing that what you mean is that helping others is within your gift and is your choice and so it should be for all of us.

    No one who has contributed to a society for nearly five decades of their life should have their contribution set aside by some pompous ass like this Lord Bichard, retirement is a RIGHT not a benefit, that was something my father's generation settled, they came back from a war and made it clear to those in charge that things had to change and things did change.

    And three decades of service in the police is equally deserving, you served your society and are fully due the retirement you have.

    Your additional voluntary service to the Spanish police is admirable.
    • Like Like x 1
  17. johncar54
    Offline

    johncar54 Active Member

    I see what I do as making a contribution to the society in which I have chosen to live. If I had remained in U.K. I would have done something similar

    I do not believe that having two pensions, which I paid for, would be an augment for me to not volunteer as I do. But then having worked 30 years giving service to the public maybe I view things differently from some others.
    • Like Like x 1
  18. oss
    Offline

    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    John, Lord Bichard is saying that you and I and everyone else of pension age should be compelled against our will to work for our pension, no work no pension, his view is a return to the workhouse.

    Most of us if we are fit enough would probably want to continue to do something in retirement, I am 6 years from retirement and I am starting to realise that endless days of nothing to do is not all that appealing, but I don't know what I really want to do with my time when I retire, I have a bit of time to think about it but I need a good solution, however being told I have to work for my state pension by some (presumably) rich toff like Bichard is not acceptable.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2019
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. Bootsonground
    Offline

    Bootsonground Guest

    I see pension rights in the UK being purposely eroded, just as they are in Australia for those wishing to retire abroad.
    It`s disgraceful how Aussie pensioners living here are being treated by their government back home.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. graham59
    Offline

    graham59 Banned

    Is this how we would have liked to have seen our parents treated, after they'd paid probably a third of their salary into a 'trusted' government scheme for 50 years ?

Share This Page