Duterte ‘squarely blames’ Catholic church for steep population rise

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https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/10...t-for-life-if-he-solves-traffic-flight-delays

Its a standing joke that PAL doesn't stand for Philippine Airlines but Philippines Always Late,i did a lot of flying within the PI a number of years ago,sometimes I was flying weekly using either PAL or Cebu Pacific,i cant remember the year but the delays were horrendous and not one flight left on schedule,it was a joke and a bad one at that.

Drivel ?

How disrespectful to the membership.

Either ban those whose views you can't cope with, or ban yourself... or maybe go and hide in your secret room and have a hand-holding session with your chums.

THINKING people DO have strong views. Grown up thinking people are able to handle that without taking personal offence or bursting into tears.

Sorry to say, Jim, but you've not achieved that aim, with me, certainly, and with others, probably. As far as I - and probably others - are concerned, members are perfectly entitled to edit their messages and I am not in the habit of reviewing threads to check for modifications to earlier messages - life's too short! Had you provided a 'history of edits' for his errant message then that might have made more sense although it wouldn't merit a rise in the 'yawn scale'.

I hope this isn't an instance of allowing your personal views to dictate moderating decisions - you are better than that

Sorry Paul and Jim but I have to completely agree with Graham and most especially with the emboldened sentences. You both look upon Sean as this forum's role model - and quite rightly so, in my opinion. To me he seemed far more concerned with preserving members' rights and particularly their right to free speech. He may have thought "it really gets tiresome some of the drivel on here" on occasion but he would never, ever have written that publicly.

A fair response and decent explanation for which I thank you.

I hope we can infer, from your closing sentence, that messages of that ilk posted by one of the more politically-extreme members - from the left of centre fraternity - will now be culled and that member sanctioned in a similar fashion. So far he has gotten away with posting political topics in open forum - even when he flags such messages and laughs at you and your rules.

I agree with the mods on this issue FWIW.

How many hate-filled Islamophobic threads and posts do we have to put up with?

The occasional one could be ignored but a constant tirade is unacceptable and distasteful.

Free speech is all well and good but not when it is unlawful.

Some members do not live in the UK and they seem to think that hate speech posts and threads are ok but this forum is based in the UK so surely they should understand why it could cause problems to the forum owner. The owner and moderators only try to keep things on an even keel.

Oh balls to it.

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What some people fail to bear in mind is that the vast majority of Muslims here in the UK are law-abiding moderate people.

To forget this is immoderate.

People remember the actions of dangerous fanatics, not of the silent majority.

There is nothing immoderate about those British people who feel anger at the murder of Asad Shah by a Bradford extremist.

Just one example...

Once again you forgot to remember that the vast majority of Muslims here in the UK are law-abiding, moderate people.
Why single out Muslim crime when non-Muslim crime is just as serious.
Muslim crime is low hanging fruit.

1. Please read what I said above, I even used the word majority!

2. I was replying to your post which referred specifically to Muslims, not to Fred West.
3. Why your anger, should people not be allowed to object to the death of Asad Shah?

What do the following have in common:

1. Crashing passenger planes into the WTC's Twin Towers and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 and the earlier (1993) WTC truck bombing
2. The bombing of a PanAm flight over Lockerbie in Scotland killing all on board
3. The grooming of young British kids for the sexual pleasure of depraved "men"
4. The videoed beheadings of James Foley, Stephen Sotloff, David Haines, Hervé Gourdel, Alan Heading and Peter Kassig
5. The abduction of 20 international journalists on Jolo in 2000
6. The abduction and murder of Jeffrey Schilling on Jolo in 2000
7. The bombing of Superferry 14 in 2004
8. The 2016 bombing of a night market in Davao City
9. Richard Reid's attempted bombing of an American Airlines flight from Miami to Paris in 2001
10. The London Tube and Bus bombings in July 2005
11. The murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby in May 2013
12. The murder of PC Keith Palmer outside Parliament in March 2017
13. The August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi
14. The Bali bombings of 2002
15. The Madrid train bombings of 2004
16. The Beslan School (Russia) crisis of 2004 in which 385 lives were lost and a further 783 were injured
17. The Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris in 2015
18. The massacre of Israeli athletes attending the 1972 Munich Olympic Games
19. The bombing of the Ariana Grande Manchester concert in May 2017
20. The bombing of a District Line train at Parsons Green in 2017

Yes, Mike, they were all carried-out by adherents of a certain religion, one that has no basis in Christianity and about half of those listed directly affected our countrymen - 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 19 and 20. Given that I was directly affected by the PanAm bombing, I will not be silent about crimes committed by these or any other persons.

If "Muslim crime is low hanging fruit" as you say it is, them maybe that's because Muslims commit more crimes than non-Muslims.

When I talk to a devout Muslim friend of mine in Egypt, a Gentleman who I have known for the best part of 25 years I can have a decent conversation. He hates terrorists and extremists and the damage that they have done to his country, and his livelihood. He faces the facts rather than waffling on about how the "majority of muslims are law abiding" "low hanging fruit" or any of that guff. He might irritate me by his occasional denouncement of alcohol, even though I have never drunk beer in his presence, when we meet for a meal I drink coke or tea to show respect, it would be wrong to do anything else.

Can I ask a question?Has anyone on here actually chatted to someone who went on to blow themselves up in the name of a certain religion?I have!The guy I knew seemed outwardly to be the most normal of guys,soft spoken,gentle (I kid you not),always respectful,I used to have some great conversations with him,he studied in Damascus and the rot set in.He was recently married,had a young daughter,the last person you would expect to detonate a bomb strapped to his body to kill innocent people,i always used to think of him as a moderate muslim before this.

Markham,
Have you asked yourself why these things happened?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Violence_against_Muslims

In my lifetime, the occupied territories in Palestine was the first alert that caught my attention.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44124396
The invasions of countries were Muslims were in the majority also followed.
Not retaliations but invasions.

Atrocities against people in Gaza.

Biased press coverage:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/20/muslim-terror-attacks-press-coverage-study

Why isn't it 'terrorism' when the perpetrators aren't Muslim?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/20/1461076/-Why-isn-t-it-terrorism-when-the-perpetrators-aren-t-Muslim​

I think there is enough to chew on there.

I have never been involved in any violence towards others and do not defend any forms of extremism. I have worked in many Muslim countries and take an interest in this issue.

I just try to add perspective to a thorny subject.