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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    First viruses are not alive in the traditional sense so you can't really kill them, you can chemically degrade them but not kill as such, second your body runs at 37 degrees centigrade so how come we even get infected if this thing can't stand 26-27 degrees.

    Yes this thing starts with a fever and a dry cough, people feel sore in their bones and generally weak, then they move on in the second week to having serious breathing difficulties.

    Beware folklore on the net most of it is crap.

    This is from a lady who recovered from it in China.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation


    Also how is it spreading in the Philippines, there are quite a lot of cases there now and it's pretty hot in the Phils.

    I dearly hope that there is some seasonality to this virus and that it does react to hot weather to some extent but it's a hope with no basis in fact at this point in time.
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  2. Stupot10
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    I work for a supermarket as a driver, there is panic buying, everything from tinned foods, long life milk, even fresh milk, I guess people are freezing it, the obvious hand cleaners and wipes, basically anything that’s says anti-bacterial on the label, and even toilet rolls.
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    Nothing beats dock leaves
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    Can always find them near nettles.
  5. oss
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    Yeah and people never get it though their heads that a virus and a bacteria are totally different things, they should be buying soap, the purpose of washing your hands is to flush off all the sebum (oil) on your hands and with it all the virus particles.

    It's pretty hard to get rubbing alcohol in the UK these days or at least I find it pretty hard but that is exactly what you need if you want to quickly sterilise your hands and it has to be above 60% alcohol to affect viruses some are saying over 70% by volume.
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  6. bigmac
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    by coincidence i bought a 500 ml spray bottle of 99% rubbing alcohol in our local diy store..for cleaning my model railway tracks. it never occurred to me to use it as a hand sanitiser.
  7. oss
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    I have a small 100ml bottle of isopropyl alcohol for cleaning optics and electronics, I got it off amazon, however a green bottle 70% IPA can be bought just about anywhere in the Phils for very little money, it's hard to buy here because we are trying to prevent people abusing it and drinking it.
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    last year i bought a 1 litre plastic bottle of it off ebay. .less than 10 quid. party time !
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  9. oss
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    I can get a nice 750ml bottle of wine for less than that, admittedly it's 10 times less potent :D
  10. oss
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    Toilet rolls or rather lack of in my local Morrisons this evening :D
    The single most important thing in civilised Britain or so it would appear:lol:

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  11. PorkAdobo
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    I don't particularly want to get infected with Covid and will take sensible precaution such as not tonguing strangers on the street. However, if one participates in modern day life, it will catch up with you sooner or later if your cards are marked.

    In the past week I've been all over London on the tube, up and down on the train and daily commute on the Manchester Metrolink. I work in a building with about 2000 people from different companies.

    My circumstances are no different to many other people. What ever safeguarding I undertake counts for nothing if someone on the 3rd floor didn't quarantine after returning from a hotspot abroad.

    At least it gives an opportunity for the Post Office in Manchester centre to drum up a bit of extra business during a quiet period.
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  12. Stupot10
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  13. oss
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    Yep exactly.

    And I like sensible precautions too :D
  14. oss
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    On a more serious note, in a shared building it's going to mostly be shared surfaces that are the issue, and avoiding shared surfaces is a lot harder than one might imagine.

    You go to the loo and for a lot of them there will be a handle and you can't use your shoulder to enter, a cubicle will have a lock and the flusher will be a lever, or a button, or if you are lucky it will be a smart automatic flusher, so now you are out of the cubicle and you really need to wash your hands but to do so you often have to touch a tap, no easy way to adjust those with your elbows, so you start washing your hands after having to push a lever or button on a soap dispenser or again if you are lucky it might be a smart dispenser that works by sensing the presence of your hands.

    So you finish washing your hands and you dry them under an air dryer, wow f**king wonderful invention they are, so now you are creating an aerosol of all the remaining particles on your hands if you only spent a few seconds washing like most people I watch do, that aerosol is now floating around in a confined space for the next person to breath in and the next one after that walking into the toilet.

    In Schiphol airport the toilets are to my mind pretty good and fairly safe, the fonts are automatic the soap dispensers require touch but if you wash properly you can clean your hands well, you dry them by pulling paper towels (renewable) from a machine above your washing bowl and disposing of them in a slot in front of you, everything is clean at every stage with little chance of cross contamination, and the loo's are automatic flushers as well, why don't we have that system in our airports, those massive hubs where people with all kinds of illnesses are going to constantly pass through.

    I'm not a hygiene nut, people need exposure to all the crap the world has to offer in order to develop immunity especially when we are children and I'm realistic about hygiene at home and at work, but we could design better systems in our country, other people already have.
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  15. oss
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    UK today, 164 test positive, 2 dead so far, percentage is 1.22% pretty consistent with the rest of the world so far and I expect it will remain so or increase a little.

    In many of these countries the test sample is pretty big I think Italy has performed 20,000 tests, the UK number is a bit smaller, statisticians can predict stuff from much smaller sample sizes than these.

    The size of the test sample is like the way they do exit polls at elections which tend to be pretty accurate these days even with relatively small numbers of samples, these samples for Covid-19 are in a small sample space right now but that will change in a week or two.
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    I drive trucks (lorries) so when I get into a unit (which pulls a trailer) I wear one type of gloves. I wipe all the surfaces with antiseptic wipes, then I wear other gloves to uncouple and couple the trailers.
    I wear gloves when people give me paperwork and I don't touch door handles, lift (elevator) buttons etc..
    I don't use pens that people give me and I use anti-bacterial hand gel many, many times when I take my gloves off.
    I don't see people in the transport office or warehouse wearing anything on their hands, there seems to be an attitude of "when your cards are marked".
    It is a pain in the posterior but I think we live in a "careful new world" now.

    I think this is just the start and, as deaths get close to home, people will adjust their behaviour drastically and many will freak out also.
  17. aposhark
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    All the cheap paracetamol vanished off the shelves in the pound stores but it was still possible to buy it in Tesco at the beginning of the week.

    The bags of nuts have increased in price in Amazon.
  18. aposhark
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    I have a feeling that, if the situation gets much worse, people who vastly inflate prices to make a quick buck, will be leave themselves open to abuse.
  19. oss
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    One of the ways that the body kills a virus is by fever, fever is the result of the immune system launching its attack on an invader and it is not always wise to try to reduce it.

    While it makes you feel a bit better having a lowered temperature it is not necessarily helping,I think I would tend to avoid the paracetamol for this one.
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