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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. PorkAdobo
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    After 2 years of still using public transport, still going to the cinema/plays, still eating out, still traveling by plane a couple of times, I was beginning to think I was bullet proof. I've followed the rules, but by no means have I been living in fear of Covid.

    Oh well. I've now finally come down with the Rona!

    This past weekend was the stepmother's 50th. On Friday, me and the wife did a LFT which was negative. Saturday we went out on a "party boat" tour of Birmingham's canals (100% not recommended- it was crap) and a meal with all stepmother's nearest and dearest elderly friends. Sunday I began showing a few symptoms and had the shivers before bed. Positive LFT on Monday. Waiting for the PCR results to confirm. The Covid was probably lurking before we went to Birmingham so I do hope I haven't knocked off half of my stepmother's best friends.

    Symptoms are pretty mild. At any other time, I'd put it down to a seasonal winter sniffle. However, I am hamming it up a little bit for a bit of extra sympathy. Mrs R still negative on the LFT and not showing any symptoms.

    I am taking part in a medical trial for the Valneva vaccine, so I was dosed up with either that or AZ back in May but I have not been called up for any boosters. It's my own birthday this week and my plans to go to Piece Hall in Halifax and watch the new Scream movie have been banjaxed.
  2. oss
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    Wow, well you have my respect for working on the frontline and you are in the very first group of cases in the UK, very glad you got through it.

    Yeah I remember that month well I was ill with some other respiratory infection that month, you are right it was established in Wuhan probably early November the zoonotic jump probably happened then or late October.

    And at this stage we have lost the chance to trace the origin, the Chinese might know the origin but as you say they are not going to release that information now.
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  3. oss
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    Was the Valneva a two dose regime?

    You might have actually been bullet proof but this variant effectively looks like a whole new illness to the immune system, the reality is that unless you are a hermit like me we will all get exposed to it now and most people will get some kind of symptoms.

    Glad it's mild for you and a shame about your birthday, mine is coming up too but I don't do anything for mine anymore too old :)
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  5. Heathen
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    Get well soon and as always take care.
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    Many thanks for all the get well messages, Yesterday the Wife got her PCR test result and this time its positive so she is off until the 19th of the month unless she gets 2 negative results on the same day, she had a really bad cough for a couple of days but so far no phlegm as for myself presently I have what can be best described as a minor cold, and the very thick Phlegm has now turned into the normal chesty stuff associated with a cough, so far so good.
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    This is exactly what I was saying to you Oss but you dismissed it. We either had it back in about Jan Feb of 2020 or we haven’t had it all. I did tell you of someone who had it back around at that time (possibly earlier) and had her antibodies checked every 3 months and more recently every month and she comes up positive every time.

    We didn’t take our holiday in Spain at Christmas. We left it right up to the last minute. Had the PCR tests setup for our return Bought the lateral flow tests to take with us before our return flight but decided not to go in case we tested positive before our flight home and had to stay longer which would have been very inconvenient.

    Instead we went down to London and joined the throng at the Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park, mixing in with countless people without masks. If we were going to get it and get an adverse reaction we would surely have got it then. But no. We also spent 4 hours in the Warner Bros Harry Potter Studios where nobody was wearing a mask and nobody stayed away. And again if we were going to get it we would surely have got it then.

    And all those months where I worked in some grotty factory or the grotty Royal Mail for that matter while I was furloughed, I surely would have got it then if I hadn’t already. The nipper has been mixing with all the kids at s hook and with all age groups.

    I must have had it back in early 2020. There has been no other time where any of us has had anything remotely like any of the symptoms.

    Anyway, nice to see you all, to see you nice. I am away again. But will drop by occasionally. Am back working for my oil industry employer except we are moving across to Geothermal drilling now.
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    This is different John Stevens works somewhere where he was clearly exposed very early, my illness that month could only have been through someone in my office because I wasn't anywhere else so what I had was a normal cold but the point is it could have been something like HCov-OC43 or HCov-NL63 or HCov-229E.

    Your infection at that time was probably one of these, I still don't believe that SARS-CoV-2 was widely circulating in the UK in early to Mid January 2020, it was here but not in numbers sufficient for people like you or I to catch it, however John Stevens works in a place where they were treating the first patients in the UK so he was directly exposed at that time.

    There is strong evidence now that prior infection within a 2 or 3 year period to one of the main long standing HCov viruses provides cross immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and that is very likely why some people like you, your wife and me and my sister have never tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, I think that is a far better explanation for both asymptomatic cases and people who never test positive than going against the genomic ancestry dating and asserting that the virus was circulating far earlier than observed.

    My diet and flu and Covid vaccinations did not prevent me getting a cold just before Christmas, lots of sneezing bit of a headache, no fever slightly sore throat and swollen glands and never a single positive test on 10 daily lateral flow tests, it might have been RSV or any one of the couple of hundred other viruses that cause the common cold but it certainly didn't look like Delta or Omicron even though the symptoms were similar.

    And the other point is that some people do have super antibodies against human Coronaviruses, you never know you might be one of them.

    The thing I had in Jan 2020 was like a flu it was very unpleasant and lasted about 6 days before I was well enough to get back to work, if it had been SARS-CoV-2 any natural immunity induced by that would have waned by now and I would still be wide open to Omicron, infection with the original wild type would not have protected you from Omicron over Christmas they are very different viruses now, your vaccinations would have offered some protection possibly enough to fight off Omicron or to turn it into an asymptomatic case, without regular PCR test you will never know while lateral flow tests are good they are not good enough to detect infection in someone who is doing a really good job of fighting off the virus.

    And it is quite possible that people with prior HCov infections are seeing a greater cross boost from the vaccines again you never know.
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    Ah that's an interesting change of direction and an opportunity would be interested to know in another thread if that is offshore or onshore and where there might be suitable rocks for geothermal.

    Also must be nice not having to pay National Insurance now, I'm envious :D
  11. Anon220806
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    Just Google “United Downs” for the up to date stuff. It’s onshore where (old) granite plutons provide the heat anomaly. They drill it, pump water down and bring the heat up that way in the returning waters. These guys are not only at the forefront of the technology in the U.K. but globally. Not to be confused with the geothermal in Valencia where the heat sources are closer to the surface and more direct. There is of course an overlap in technology when it comes to drilling the wells.
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    This individual lives in Blackpool. She hasn’t been vaccinated. Her antibodies have been at those levels since yonks back. I have seen all of her test results. I could paste them into the post but I don’t have the time. How exactly she caught Covid so early on I don’t know. But she got it at an early stage. We have hospitals up here too. She works in various clinics for the NHS so maybe that where it came from. Who knows. But she went down with Covid before the Christmas. Coronovirus cases were springing up in Blackpool very early on.
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    This is the woman who thought she had Covid in early to mid November 2019?

    There were no tests, tests for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies probably came into use sometime between late Feb to April 2020 so to assert that her antibodies came from a November 2019 infection is stretching it, she could have been asymptomatic from an infection at any time between SARS-CoV-2 arriving in the UK sometime between January and whenever she got her first antibody test, it's much more likely she got her antibodies that way after SARS-CoV-2 was spreading widely in the UK and before the lockdown.

    I just don't think there is any concrete evidence of the virus being in circulation earlier than than is generally thought, indeed there is no signal in the data of unusual excess deaths in October, Nov, Dec 2019 period in the UK and that is what needs to be explained in order to support a much earlier arrival, the spike in deaths began in March 2020 it's far more likely that other coronaviruses were responsible for the uptick in hospital respiratory infections and for our own infections over that winter season and that is also a better explanation as to why many people ended up with no SARS-CoV-2 infection or an asymptomatic case throughout the pandemic in the UK as they had some cross immunity from the other HCov viruses.
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    I'm trying to work out what Starmer has done or covered up?
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