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Coronavirus (Covid-19) in Other Countries (not Philippines or UK)

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by aposhark, Oct 19, 2020.

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    The numbers at the moment are a little bit misleading, you can't do a direct numeric comparison to earlier in the year because testing capacity is so much higher in all countries now.

    Back in March in the UK and probably France too there were ten times or more as many real cases as were being detected, that meant that at any point back then the real cases were vastly greater than the reported cases and deaths.

    This can lead to us misreading the current situation because right now we are really at an earlier stage than say mid March but now we are detecting a lot more of the cases we missed back then and that means that now it looks like fewer people are dying compared to cases but that is not the case we are not as deep into this yet as we were in March-early April and the R0 is not as high as it was back then because we are using protective measures like distance and masks, so the doubling rate is longer than back then.

    This means that we have a better chance of keeping this under control now if everyone just follows the rules.

    France with 40 odd thousand cases yesterday is certainly in a bad way but we are probably detecting 5 to 10 times the cases we were back in March sadly the high numbers there will be followed by deaths in teh next 3 to 4 weeks.
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    Well yeah North Korea for example, but I am not so sure about elsewhere, in particular the Philippines where as I have said many times I think we here would be getting anecdotal evidence of a disaster from our family's if a disaster were actually happening, I don't think they are covering anything up in the Phils, they certainly don't test as much as other countries but they do test enough to get some insight into their situation.

    You don't have to look far to find countries lying about cases and deaths, take the USA they removed responsibility from the CDC for correlating the data on Covid to hand it to a more compliant branch of government months ago.

    Or look at the UK who dropped 5000 to 6000 deaths from the stats because they didn't die fast enough for them.
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    Laos and Cambodia both indicating zero deaths looks very dodgy to say the least.
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    I'm not so sure, Vietnam had almost none and they have a large population rivalling the Philippines, Cambodia and Laos have much smaller populations.

    There was a Brit with Covid whose life was saved by the Vietnamese in an ICU that was nowhere near stressed, he was convinced he would be dead but for the attention he got there.

    Some of these countries were just very well prepared for another SARS and did the right stuff from day one, there is nothing inevitable about the mess the west is in we brought it on ourselves by inaction many other countries have proved this by the way they handled their own epidemics, not least Germany in Europe with a large population and very low deaths/million of the population.
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    I think with the South East Asian countries it is a lot to do with:

    a) vitamin d deficiency or lack of and
    b) diet overall

    I agree with a Oss. If false figures were coming from the Philippines we would have heard about it via the “backdoor” by now.
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    Meanwhile in Sweden:

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    What is your source for that, John?
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    I have tried to find the actual source of that data but cannot find it. The individual that posted it is part of a band of people who believe lockdown is not necessary.

    The label on the Y axis suggests Novel Coronovirus is the source.

    Here is something similar.

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    Cases are up in Sweden, deaths aren’t.
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    People who don't want lockdown could produce data to suit their agenda!

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