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China coronavirus spread is accelerating, Xi Jinping warns.

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by aposhark, Jan 25, 2020.

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  2. Aromulus
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    Apparently the authorities kept the leak of this biological warfare virus extremely quiet for days. Once it started spreading they could not keep silent. Some scientist working on it, somehow, got infected, and rest will be history. Allegedly there have been a few thousand deaths already. The web is full of video clips of people just dropping on the ground. Scary indeed.
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    Dom read better sources, you don't need this kind of explanation for something that happens all the time in the natural world.

    Spanish Flu killed (up to) 100 million people a hundred years ago it emerged naturally, **** happens.

    edit: 500 million were infected out of a world population of around 1.5 billion, so up to about 6 or 7% of the whole world died, Spanish flu killed young adults disproportionately.

    This new virus appears to predominately kill the old like many other flu viruses so it's nothing new in that respect.
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    China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think:

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    The Chinese are being very open with this one compared to the SARS outbreak, although the guy in this video is claiming earlier knowledge of the outbreak.

    These markets where they think this originated are just the same as the markets in the Philippines and likely the same as markets all over Asia.

    Current reports from scientists suggest that the virus looks like viruses found in bats but looks most like viruses found in snakes, snakes are killed at these markets.

    Viruses are constantly mutating, every flu virus we get every year is a mutation from a previous flu virus, any virus or disease that is too efficient at killing its host dies out, because it needs hosts to reproduce.

    Viruses are generally not made from DNA they are not alive in the same sense we are, they cannot reproduce on their own, they are made generally from RNA with a protein coat and sometimes an outer lipid layer.

    They reproduce by coercing our DNA to produce replicas of the virus, they hijack our DNA replication mechanisms to create copies of themselves and they do this very quickly resulting in many new viruses spilling out of our infected cells which are now factories for virus manufacture these new virus particles infect more cells and the process continues in a cascade.

    The process by which they hijack our cells makes copies but the copies are not always perfect and sometimes the copies will transcribe some other piece of genetic information hijacked from a cell or potentially a dormant piece of code in the cell they just infected, more often the copying is just crap and fails it mixes up a few words in the code, the elements of the code are GCAT guanine cytosine adenine and thymine, RNA also has uracil but I'm not that knowledgeable about the details of RNA, however I know enough that the process by which viruses reproduce directly leads to mutations of said viruses, it's a natural process that has been going on since the start of life on this planet.

    If this virus has an airborne infection vector then we are in a lot of trouble, SARS didn't and it's actually mutated away from being bad for us now.

    Reports suggest that this new virus might be as bad as Spanish Flu was in 1918, if we saw a repeat of that we are all going to lose a lot of friends and family, 1 in 15 roughly 470 million people .
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    Why always China?
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    Largest population on Earth (for now) India will overtake them, it's just statistics.
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    Mattecube I have no need Trusted Member

    Todays day out[​IMG]
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    It is not a conspiracy theory, but to me it smacks of a man made virus.
    The Chinese Gov is trying to delete video clips fron the internet, claiming they are fake.... Oh, yeah...?
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_virology

    We can build viruses from scratch but it is extremely unlikely that we can predict the effects of specific changes to a particular virus genome.

    There is no need to invoke a man made source because viruses are so intrinsically good at mutating on their own, all you need is time and opportunity, Ebola is another virus that crossed species boundaries, it did this decades before we had the technology to even think about direct manipulation and construction of virus genomes.

    These things emerge when the environment puts evolutionary pressure on the virus, the things creating that pressure can be as simple as changes in farming practices in this case maybe the snake population has been put under pressure by us killing and eating too many of them, if you reduce the number of hosts you reduce the genetic diversity of the pathogens that infect those hosts at the same time, it's a lottery as to which strains of pathogens survive and sometimes you might get unlucky and a strain survives that can jump species, the reason it's not happening all the time is that most of the time the mutation that would allow it to jump from one host species to another just simply doesn't happen, this time sadly something has happened and a virus has jumped hosts.

    Nature is far more powerful than us when it comes to this, it has been engaging in biological warfare for billions of years.
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    It is not all doom and gloom though, Jim.
    Containment is the key here and I am sure there are many things happening behind the scenes all over the world right now (not least in China) to get a hold of this situation.
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    We'll see Mike.
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    China coronavirus death toll jumps despite lockdowns | DW (German) News

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    Hi Dom,
    I have watched this man's (serpentza) YouTube videos for a long time as I used to work in China and serpentza always seemed to post accurate, real videos about China when he used to live there. He has a Chinese wife too, but he moved to live in another country about a year ago, if my memory serves me well.
    This is a video he posted on 24th Jan and should be well worth watching.
    (I have just noticed it and will watch tonight) :

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    After watching the video, some of it was thought-provoking but many things were repeated.

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