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Can We Still Blame the Cows?

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Anon220806, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    One of the big positives to come out of this pandemic is the reduction in air pollution. Fossil fuels are simply not being burned anywhere near as much as they were only a few weeks back. Consequently it seems the ambient air is considerably cleaner. Can we now cease blaming livestock for climate change with a fair degree of confidence?
  2. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Perhaps not for some, like me:
    https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/global-warming/
  3. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Air pollution is not the same as CO2, you can't smell CO2 and in normal concentrations it won't hurt you, and equally you can't smell methane ;)

    The cows do produce rather a lo of it :)
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    The significant change during this outbreak is the reductions in NO, that's why the air is cleaner, this event will have a negligible impact on climate change.
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    NO = Nitric Oxide?


    And on livestock farmers?
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Haven't read the link yet John.
  9. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Ah, it’s just one optimistic livestock farmer. But I am noticing that people are noticing the connection.
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    I have read it now there is nothing in that article related to climate change really, and this event is not an experiment in climate change, CO2 does not get fixed (taken out of the atmosphere quickly) the reduction in fuel use will have a tiny impact you could shut down every form of transportation for the next ten years and you would still have a growing CO2 problem.

    Separately methane does have a half life in the atmosphere and it does decay relatively fast I think it is completely oxidised in something like 20 years, so livestock is something which is pumping out the methane but it's not long term persistent on the other hand you know all about the clathrate bomb which would dwarf cattle and CO2.
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    Yeah I should maybe have used the term NOx, it stands for both of the NO and NO2 terms.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I will go to sit at another table, Dom, and I promise not to look over but I will wait until we have both finished our food to enjoy a nice glass of wine with you :)
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    Yes please, but no wine :)
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

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  16. Druk1
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    I am probably the least squeamish person on here, I would have no qualms about killing, skinning and slicing a steak from a cow :) but the alcohol I would always pass on.
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

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  19. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I never go to the pub but my wife brought in 4 cans of Lidl bitter the other week and I made them last the week and thoroughly enjoyed the taste. In a strange way, the taste and smell brought back fond memories of when I was with lots of friends in the pubs many years ago.

    I will, however, go on a bender drinking bitter when this virus is not as dangerous, but that could be a long time away. :erm:
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  20. Aromulus
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    Chances are that most commercially brewed beers have been "fined" (clarified) with the aid of animal byproducts.
    Isinglass, eggwhite, ox blood, krill....
    Sorry...

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