1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Answers to some questions for ILR

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by johnc, Jan 17, 2022.

  1. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    Please could anyone help with a few questions regarding the ilr application , im not 100% sure what to click and do not want to make an expensive mistake as we can apply from the 22nd january 2022 and we would love to get it over and done with (via priority if possible ) as the wife is really giving me a headache and seems to question every question which is not fun after working all day.

    1) Your identity card ( Philippines )
    Do you have a valid national identity card ?
    This includes identity cards, issued from non uk-governments. This does not include driving licenses. if you have an internal passport provide the details here.
    Yes or No

    2) Are you part of any social groups or do you have other cultural ties in your country of birth, nationality or any other country where you have lived for more than 5 years.
    This could include social networks or connections to any of these countries.
    Yes or No

    3) Partners previous sponsorship.
    Has your partner previously been sponsored as a partner of a settled person.
    Yes or No

    I am not sure about the answer to number one.

    If i click yes to number 2 it says provide details list the social networks or connections where they are located and your involvement with them.

    Is number 3 meaning i was a sponsor as obviously i brought my wife over on a spouse visa and then the flr application route leading to ilr.

    Just a simple explanation of each one would be very gratefully received thank you.
  2. UKDJ
    Offline

    UKDJ Active Member

  3. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Generally

    1.In many countries, a national ID is issued by the government to give people easier access to different social welfare programs. The card is also considered an official government-issued identification document as it contains the full name, facial image, birth date, address, and fingerprints of the bearer.


    A good point from @UKDJ on UMID...The Unified Multi-Purpose ID (UMID) is a four-in-one identification card that Filipinos can use to transact with government agencies such as the Social Security System (SSS), Government Service Insurance System (GSIS), PhilHealth, and Pag-IBIG Fund.

    Internal passport...An internal passport is an identity document used by a country to control and monitor the internal movement and residence of its people. Internal passports have been used by Imperial Russia and its successor states, France, the Confederate States of America, the Soviet Union, the Ottoman Empire, South Africa during apartheid and other countries. Countries that currently have internal passports include Russia, Ukraine, and North Korea. When passports first emerged, there was no clear distinction between internal and international ones. Later, some countries developed sophisticated systems of passports for various purposes and various groups of population. Uses for internal passports have included restricting citizens of a subdivided state to employment in their own area, clearly recording the ethnicity of citizens to enforce segregation or prevent passing and controlling access to sensitive sites or closed cities.


    If you are unsure then I doubt she has but may also depend on what type of work she did before leaving the Philippines as above

    2 We put no, I believe this is aimed at if you run social media platforms or in the hierarchy of any, any political groups or any other social media groups that could influence.

    3 This is a question where the applicant has had previous sponsors eg came over on a student visa (sponsored) came over on a previous spouse visa(and it didnt work out) they are looking for previous sponsorship history but not yours as yours is current
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2022
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  4. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    Thanks for all for your input. My wife was a teacher in the Philippines before she came to the UK and is still a teacher with special needs children As for the 3rd question i was confused if it was me or the wife the question was aimed at. Now the wife has wandered down the stairs to inform me she has a UMID card. so I guess the answers are yes no and no.
  5. Dav3&Ai5a
    Offline

    Dav3&Ai5a Active Member

    1&2 I have a UMID card. I answered no for simplicity.
    3. As answered above - relates to applicant’s previous sponsorship if any
  6. Br28016
    Offline

    Br28016 Active Member Trusted Member

    Philippines Is in process of rolling out a national ID card so if don't have that then would recommend saying no to the question on national ID card.

    UMID is very useful card but not able to get one just by applying. Need to be registered on SSS and made SSS contributions before can get one as opposed to a right to have one. As such I would say it is ID (same as driving license) as opposed to a national ID card
  7. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  8. Br28016
    Offline

    Br28016 Active Member Trusted Member

  9. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    The case law blog you post is for 2008 and the UMID card was introduced in 2010 it is (UMID Card) recognised as one of the most powerful ID cards to have in the Philippines (see list)
    https://www.sss.gov.ph/sss/DownloadContent?fileName=List of Valid Identification Cards.pdf

    Also note explanation of UMID CARD
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Multi-Purpose_ID
    Yes there is a Philippines national ID card but is wrong to say UMID is not a recognised card, there seems so many!
    https://www.google.com/search?q=PHI...6j0i22i30l3.8954j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2022
  10. Br28016
    Offline

    Br28016 Active Member Trusted Member

    Fully agree with you on the fact that it is one of the most powerful ID cards in the Philippines but also know that can't just apply for it and get it. You have to meet the requirements to be eligible for it and also nothing forcing a Filipino to get it.

    There are hugh number of ID cards in Philippines and definite pecking order in which recognised in the Philippines.

    Agree that it is a recognised card in the Philippines. How it stands outside the Philippines is probably minimal in terms of recognised ID cards.

    In terms of the original question I still believe the answer is no as effectively it is one of a number of ID's that can use in Philippines but not a true national ID card.

    The national ID card being rolled out which in my opinion is well overdue will make a big difference to most filippinos as everyone is eligible without the hoops that have to be jumped through for other forms of ID in the Philippines and everyone really needs to have proper ID as get locked out of so much without it. Number of people without birth certificates is dreadful and without those really stuck - mostly effects the poor and for them the national ID should make a big difference. If they have any will tend to be the ID lower in the pecking order.
  11. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    The question is on the application
    1) Your identity card ( Philippines )
    Do you have a valid national identity card ?
    This includes identity cards, issued from non uk-governments. This does not include driving licenses. if you have an internal passport provide the details here.
    Yes or No
    The applicant(op) has a UMID card so the answer is YES as it is a recognised ID card and that is a fact, and by answering the question truthfully the applicant has done right, where the card stands in terms of probable recognition on the world stage is immaterial, the question has been answered correctly.
    Yes they are working towards a unified ID card and looking at the number of ID card they currently have valid it is little surprise!
    We could end up going round in circles on this one I have put my view forward its down to the op to take a view of the responses I guess and decide
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    Well I have classed it as a national id card and said yes to the question we got married in Davao in 2015 and the card is in her married name, apparently there is a new card with a micro chip coming out so her mother said.
    If all goes well with the ilr then I guess the home office accepted this id so I will keep you posted on this debate.
  13. Druk1
    Offline

    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    I know someone in Davao who was due to go to Cebu to get their biometric card, I will ask them about it tomorrow.
  14. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    Thanks for that I will await your reply. While I am here we have filled in the ilr application up to the page before it says pay when we log on that page is it just the application cost or will it say if you can pay priority on there too.
  15. Dav3&Ai5a
    Offline

    Dav3&Ai5a Active Member

    When you get to the page where it says Choose a Service (7. Further actions),
    the options should show Standard Service - 2408.20 GBP and Super priority service 3208.20 GBP.
    You won’t be able to change your selection once you confirm and submit your application.

    If you can view standard service as an only option, it means there are no super priority slots available - you may want to log off and log back in another time if the intention is to pay for next working day decision. Check around 1am when they usually open new slots.
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2022
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    yep--i also checked before 9 am. If you see the super priority option--grab it ( if you want it )

    by coincidence--when we paid the extra--the sopra charge was lower--and in fact i know someone who recently went for it for her first flr--and got a free appointment.
  17. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    If I see a free appointment I will be doing the lottery or euro-millions that week I think I will have more luck winning them than getting a free appointment. Anyone ever get priority early evening up to say 10.30pm as I have work the next day and staying up till 1am is not appealing to me having to get up early.
  18. Br28016
    Offline

    Br28016 Active Member Trusted Member

    Was at friends who was doing ILR application and looking at appointments and number of free appointment s in Gloucester, Bristol and Cardiff - looking two to three weeks out I'll admit but they were there. I'll admit I was surprised.
  19. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    You can bet your life there won’t be any free appointments in Liverpool.
  20. johnc
    Offline

    johnc Member

    About the questions I asked above the first answer was no we put on the application, the second answer was yes and the third answer we put no. I am writing to clarify this as my wife had her application for ilr accepted last friday 18th february 2022. If you would like to know why to the answers , 1) The UMID is only recognised in the Philippines even this is a grey area regarding its use abroad. 2) We said yes as my wife interacts with family and friends on facebook etc, 3) I think this is up to peoples individual circumstances.

Share This Page