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I've only got 5 years left anyway, my sunk carbon cost to the planet is a fact of history as is yours and everyone else's, I'm 60 if I'm lucky I might have 15 years left so something like 80% of my cost to the planet is already spent, I can't undo that.

The time for doing something about climate change was 30 or even 40 years ago, that's when we really had to start, we should have been off oil by now.

And you make my point, the action required to mitigate the brick wall event we are rapidly hurtling towards is so large that no population will buy into it.

What will happen is that more and more people will wake up and start to panic, XR is one manifestation of this but it's already too late, however I support them some action is better than no action.

We use a cube of crude oil about 1 mile on each side every year 1 CMO (an official energy unit now I believe), that's just the oil, the total energy used by humanity each year is the equivalent of about 3.5 CMO.

These are figures for 2006 from the link to the CMO definition above.


Todays numbers are not much better for the renewables and the total energy use is higher.

My point is that you cannot have any of the things we take for granted in the modern world without that energy and you can't have a population of 7.7 billion human beings without that energy.

So when you try to take away that energy from any population that is accustomed to the life provided by that energy they will not accept that change, they might all see the disaster staring them in the face but they will just look around in panic and end up doing nothing.

Most people in todays modern industrialised western world do nothing of any real value including programmers like me, so what I make a few factories slightly more efficient through scheduling their machines processes, it's not as if we really need those factories in the first place it's just that they are part of the technological organism that we all live in and it's that organism that's killing the planet.

If another Carrington event or something a few times larger happened tomorrow and the power grids really did actually fail through transformer meltdowns, you would see within a few weeks just what a world on a restricted energy budget looks like, or rather some of you would see it as most of you would just die.

But climate change will achieve the same thing just slightly slower.

Just look at that table and you see the scale of the problem.

That's why I say it is already too late. ​

I take his point but the sacrifice, that in reality is going to have to be asked for, is larger than any population will accept.

Wrong you are talking about Sulphur emissions not CO2, specifically container ship Sulphur emissions.

On the cruise ship hypothesis that is plausible, burning 1 litre of diesel produces about 2.65 kg of CO2

Cruise ship burns about 4,200 litres an hour that's 100,000 litres a day and about 600 tons of fuel in 7 days.

So 7 days is about 700,000 litres or 1855 tons of CO2 so a large cruise ship with 2000 passengers yeah 1 ton a piece.

2010 estimate 1 billion cars in the world.

1 Litre of diesel is 2.65 kg of CO2

1 Litre of petrol is about 1.7 kg of CO2

Lets pretend they all burn 6 litres a day on average and they are all petrol.

1,000,000,000 cars times 6 litres = 6 billion litres of petrol per day.

That's about 10 billion kg or 10 million metric tonnes a day from cars (just cars not lorries and buses).

A container ship burns about 225 tons of bunker fuel a day so 15 of them burn about 3375 tons of fuel a day.

So 15 container ships generate about 8940 metric tonnes of CO2 per day versus 10 million metric tonnes a day for cars.

Metric and imperial tons are not the same but they are close.

So do you think 8940 tonnes is a bigger number than 10 million tonnes?

People have no concept of scale, you just throw out numbers like 15 container ship generate more CO2 than all the worlds cars and it never crosses your mind that you are at the wrong scale, it's a joke.

edit: that's 225 tons for an 8000 TEU container ship.
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Your figures are obviously wrong, you took the 15 ship number from the Sulphur pollution report and then conflated it with CO2 emissions, you're wrong, it's basic arithmetic.

5000 container ships in the world roughly.

Total emissions from them probably about 44 million tons a day if they were all 8000 TEU probably more like 30 million tons a day given many will be smaller, yes more than cars, total emissions from 15 ships more than all cars NO.

Not possibly, absolutely!!!

Sulphur it gets washed out of the atmosphere as sulphurous acid, acid rain, like all pollution it's bad but not a fraction as bad as a gas that accumulates and that reflects infrared radiation back to the ground, just to be clear heat.

And this is what you do and why you get the reactions you continually get from people on this forum, I mean really.​

Whereas everyone else gets bullied by you.