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Animal Rebellion activists to blockade UK's biggest meat market

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by KeithAngel, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. John Stevens
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  2. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Yup, correct use of a traffic cone, marking a hazard in the road ;)
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  3. cojo1000
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    A banana is made up of carbohydrates in the main. Well 23g per 100grams in the main. This is effectively sugar once consumed.

    https://phcuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/PHC-Sugar-A4-Poster.pdf

    Modern thinking based on growing levels of evidence has it that excess insulin produced in the consumption of carbohydrates leads to obesity, higher blood pressure etc

    https://www.practicaldiabetes.com/w...etes-experience-from-one-general-practice.pdf
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  4. oss
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    I'm well aware of all of that, but a blanket statement like fruit causes heart disease is a bit much.

    If everyone went for a low carb, low fat, high protein diet the next problem would be bowel diseases brought on by lack of fibre.

    The real issue for most people is that modern work modern jobs don't fit well with most people's appetite, a great many people are largely sedentary most of the time

    A balanced diet with people eating carbs early in the day when they have a chance to burn them off and also eating small and regularly and including fruits is perfectly healthy.

    If you have diabetes already then of course have to adjust your diet.
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  5. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i'm in the high risk category--and have been attending classes about how to reduce the risk. i have adjusted my diet--halved sugar in coffee--and fewer drinks per day. also reduced carb intake--particularly rice. ive lost half a stone this year.

    and exercise. one we dont think of--is walking up the stairs. 9 minutes of stair walking will burn 100 calories.
  6. oss
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    Yeah I make a point of getting away from my desk as often as I can.

    I've gotten rid of 2 stone 5lbs this year since Feb, plateaued a bit just now but I know why, largely mood, that adjustment is based on me simply adjusting my total intake.

    I am very likely insulin resistant but I could do something about that by switching to a higher protein diet whether I do is another matter, I need to change the time of day that I eat, but my fastest weight loss occurs when I make and eat dishes like this :

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    I don't drink Coffee or Tea and even when I did I never added sugar.
  7. cojo1000
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    Those with T2 diabetes are the guinea pigs in a way as they don’t have much choice other than to reduce carbs in their diet. This can be done at a number of levels and eating some carbs along with protein and fat is proving to be a working solution. The NHS is moving away from the Eatwell plate to the LCHF solution for diabetes and obesity as we speak.

    Good chap to listen to on this is Tom Watson.

    Also, the number of the general population that are diabetic or obese is quite high now. In the case of T2 diabetes often people are unaware that they have it.
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  8. cojo1000
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    Remove the tatties and you would be as good as there.
  9. oss
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    Steamed new potatoes eaten early in the day, not late in the day, these cooked this way take longer to digest, you have to get energy from somewhere total abstinence from things like potatoes is just another fad and will have consequences.
  10. oss
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    I agree with most of that.
  11. cojo1000
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    Fat is an excellent fuel. Cheese, double cream, full fat milk, butter, streaky bacon, fatty cuts of meat, nuts, avocados etc. You won’t go hungry on that lot either.

    And contrary to popular belief they don’t make you fat either.
  12. oss
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    Everything makes you fat, if you have eaten more than your body has burned.

    There are other issues with fats, that make it desirable to reduce ones intake.

    I cook with double cream, I have full fat milk on my bran flakes in the morning, but I don't drink it all out of 100ml of milk 70 ml will go down the drain after I eat my cereal.

    Nuts break my teeth, butter is nice to cook with.

    I noticed a long time ago that I lost weight on a Philippine diet every time I am there I get rid of some weight, it is quite a fatty diet and reminds me of my diet as a child in Scotland.
  13. cojo1000
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    Exactly. You found your own solution then. :like:

    It is the carbs that tend to lead to obesity, heart disease and diabetes. That doesn’t mean eliminating them completely. The fruit, dried fruit and fruit juice are to be minimised. Above ground vedge is good.

    Avoid bread, pasta, rice, potatoes ( of any colour ) along with added sugar, cakes and sweets and you will quite quickly drop to the weight you were in Scotland as a young man. I promise you.
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    Being T2 myself I find ths divergence from the origina thread quite inetersting and, as Diabetes is very much of interest to a lot of people, I would suggest we open a dedicated "sticky" thread on the subject,
    Thanks to cojo1000 links, I have downloaded and printed some useful info for my personal use.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    yes me too!
  16. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    My issue is lack of exercise during the day,I eat lightly and avoid salt,sugar and processed food.
    My day starts with porridge and coffee after that for lunch its fresh fish or chicken with tomatoes and mango for afters, Evening meal is never taken after 6 pm. I try to snack on bananas, black grapes and oranges.
    I seem to get or feel hungry if I am bored or irritated and will crave a boost of sugar!!!!!
  17. cojo1000
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    The Teaspoon of Sugar Equivalents infogram was crafted by Dr David Unwin. A GP at the Norwood Surgery in Southport. You can look his surgery up.

    One of his partners, Simon Tobin is the brother of my GP, Dr Jonathan Tobin. You can look them both up.

    Dr David Unwin has a lot of material out in the public domain now but here is a video of his explanation of the glycemic indexing of food and teaspoons of sugar equivalent. It recognises that many foods deliver more sugar once consumed than we would otherwise be aware of. Rice being a good example. The humble banana being another.



    The ultimate evidence for many T2 diabetics is in the blood test results taken before and after the consumption of any one food. That being the case all the evidence is out there for anyone with a test meter to see if they are T2 diabetic.

    Those who are T2 diabetic will know that raised blood sugar does the damage and ultimately loss of legs, loss of eyesight, obesity, high blood pressure become likely if not checked.
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  18. oss
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    What's the glycaemic index of beer ;) :)
  19. cojo1000
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    Those that have T2 diabetes or Pre diabetes can reverse diabetic symptoms and also including reducing blood sugar levels, high blood pressure and body weight by dietary control.

    I have good blood sugar levels, have lost 10kg and radically reduced blood pressure. Most of the improvements took no more than a month but the improvements still continue.

    The good news is that you don’t have to cut carbohydrates out completely, just cut them down to lower levels. You don’t have to go hungry as you can eat protein and good fats. You don’t lack energy as fat is a fuel.
  20. cojo1000
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    I am not a beer drinker. But real ales will typically have a carbohydrate content of 10 to 20g of carbsper pint. Certain real ales may be given additional flavouring with extra sugar or honey so be prepared for the effect to vary with different beers.

    I tend to go by carb content rather than glycemic index as they go hand in glove. It’s what they do to your blood sugar that counts.

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