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My Filipina Wife Does Low Carb

Discussion in 'Culture and Food' started by Anon220806, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Decent balanced diet, exercise, gym, most people are inactive and this is reflected in their waistline and avoirdupois, the guy in the news article is a prime example, might have had a healthcare to shock him into losing weight? I always remind myself inside every skinny person is a fat one waiting to get out if they take the wrong path. Screenshot_20220621_171630.jpg
  2. Anon220806
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    You made several wrong assumptions there.

    You are obviously a hopeless case. You cannot run off a bad diet. I think I have said that to you before but you haven’t remembered it. Repeating oneself is such a waste of time.
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  3. Druk1
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    You must have missed the bit where I said......
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    I am actually doing OK John, my son graduated medicine as did his fiance, my lady is a nurse,if I was unhealthy they might just point it out, I never drank and I always exercised, obviously is someone drinks, lives on fried foods and kebabs and is slovenly their weight will sky rocket, that's all I was saying ;)
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    You are a special case, you have access to amounts of exercise that the majority of ordinary people don't get, either in working or leisure life.

    There is nothing wrong with fried proteins or the fat that it is fried in as long as the oil is a good oil and there is not an excess of blackened food as that tends to increase the amount of carcinogens.

    His point is that the real culprit is sugar in all its forms and he's right, the sugars eventually screw up the hunger response in most people.

    My only disagreement with him is a point of physics where he suggests that energy can be made to vanish, irrespective of how accurate calories can be calculated all food represents an amount of convertible chemical energy plus an amount of waste product and all living organisms must carefully regulate their thermal environment according to their energy expenditure hence whether people can measure it accurately or not there is an energy in energy out balance, that balance includes waste products as the waste will represent part of the total energy of the system.

    And to John, I agree with Tim Spector, I don't have a problem with what he is saying and if you listen closely he still accepts that there is an energy equilibrium in place, his point regards calories being useless is that they can't be easily accurately or usefully measured, for two years I have not being disagreeing with you on anything other than a point of physics, energy in this universe cannot be created or destroyed, it can be transformed from one state to another, a cube of fat and a cube of sugar both represent an organised system of atoms that organisation has low entropy, if you transform those cubes by slow chemical burning or fast chemical burning the result has higher overall entropy as the organised atoms are less organised, burning down to gases will result in a higher entropy state than slower chemical burning where the atoms go through various stages of organisation in an organism.

    LCHF and quitting alcohol are the reasons I got rid of 35kg, I personally would not have succeeded without quitting the alcohol because I would not have stuck to the LCHF regime had I continued drinking.
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    This guy obviously gets @oss full respect (I think), along with me and many others. He was the brains behind the Twins study which came to an end recently, had a prominent role tackling Covid and is now focussing on nutrition and gut biome etc.

    What he has to say about breakfast goes against the grain (pun not intended) of what we have come to expect in recent decades. People are realising that the NHS needs a rethink on this. If I am not eating a cooked breakfast then I typically will have what Tim has in the bowl below although I typically include double cream as it is tasty, fills me up and in my case and many others doesn’t make me put on weight or mess with my cholesterol. Notice he says full fat yoghourt.

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  9. Anon220806
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    This 50 yo Filipina has fasted for 48 hours before lifting weights….

    Pia is fat adapted.
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    Yeah he does have my respect.

    You need to actually find out what he is saying because it is not the same message you are promoting on here, your message is that the only solution is elimination of carbs and he is not saying that at all.

    Highly processed food is something that he is railing against and I agree,

    He believes in eating plants, and eating at the right time, and as he states most diet advice is about dogma, his point is that the microbiome is unique in every individual and that everyone responds to food in a unique fashion.

    Yeah he is on about insulin but he is on about a lot more than that as well.

    This is two hours long but if you listen to this you will find out what he actually believes and what he is actually promoting.

    This is two doctors, one a researcher (Tim) both talking about reality.


    He states correctly that counting calories is not useful, but he also, here and in other videos and his writing, knows full well that there is an energy equilibrium.

    My argument with you was on a a point of physics nothing more.
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    In addition I hate the words snacking and grazing, I have a visceral reaction to the notion of human beings grazing and I F**K**G hate people eating at their desk in an office, that has nothing to do with the dietary benefits or otherwise, I just feckin hate people eating at their desks it is disgusting.

    And one more point, yes a lot of what Tim Spector is criticising in diet advice is related to blood sugar but is also about fat.

    You will find on this forum some statements from me in the past long long ago where I praised the notion of the Filipino eating a little bit constantly throughout the day i.e. grazing, I was wrong that is not a good approach although as Tim Spector has pointed out their microbiome in the past might have been better and that might have mitigated the grazing problem. (not specifically in relation to Filipinos just in general).

    Another point he is always one who promotes the Mediterranean diet or at least acknowledges that it is pretty good.
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    Only watched 5 minutes of this so far but it is spot on so far :D

    An RI lecture.
  13. Anon220806
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    But we have all been told to eat little and often. And we fell for it.
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    Yes, I believe this gent is going to play a large part in sorting the NHS out in the hopefully not too distant future.
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    Once a year,I do a 15 day water diet cleanse. Kind of resets the mind on why it is not neccessary to eat 3 times a day in order to survive without feeling starved. I did a pure carnivore OMAD diet for 3 months but included eggs and coconut oil for cooking meat in. Never felt better.
    Right now I am 2 days in on water fast. Usually on day 4 the hunger issues go completey as my body goes into Ketosis and my body has no choice but to burn fat for energy.
    It is an enlightening journey to say the least
    That said,you need to be a highly determined and motivated individual!
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    11 of the most common diet myths, busted by Professor Tim Spector
    The epidemiologist and microbiome expert separates truth from fiction when it comes to food, exercise and losing weight


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    ‘The best way to lose weight, believe me, is to eat less,” said Boris Johnson as he defended the Government’s food strategy after proposals for a salt and sugar taxwere ignored.

    With that “believe me”, the Prime Minister hit a nerve for serial dieters: which parts of the vast smorgasbord of advice out there should we be following to ensure our health and happiness?

    Along with the recent introduction of calories onto restaurant menus, it can feel as if we’re being shamed into giving up food altogether.

    For Professor Tim Spector, the King’s College London epidemiologist celebrated for his work with identical twins, as well as diet and the microbiome, all of the above represents a backward step in the public understanding of how humans respond to and process food.

    “For the past 100 years, we’ve been obsessed with calories, and it has really stopped us thinking about anything else,” says the 63-year-old author of The Diet Myth and Spoon-fed. He has been working hard to change that thinking.

    When The Diet Myth was published in 2015, few people had an inkling of the role that the estimated 100 trillion microbes in our gut play in our digestion. Spector’s work has helped to put kefir in our fridges and kimchi in our jars. Via the Zoe Project, the world’s largest nutrition study, he has encouraged us all to join up and analyse our unique guts, blood fats and blood sugar responses.

    Today, though, his number one myth target is that calories are a useful way to monitor our diet. Not only are calorie estimates often less accurate than we might hope, Spector’s studies of twins have shown that humans vary hugely in how much energy they extract from a given food.

    The daily allowances for men and women, Spector says, are not based on hard data. So I ask him: what should we be aiming for? Even asking the question, he says, gives credence to the idea that there is a perfect figure. “If it was only 1,900, would that make a difference? No, it wouldn’t.”

    And when people are told to avoid calorie-dense foods, Spector says that advice can be taken to be encouraging the consumption of low-calorie drinks and low-fat foods. “It’s why we support this multi-billion-pound diet industry of low-calorie shakes and Weight Watchers, and all that other stuff.”

    So, what other diet myths are we swallowing, according to Professor Spector?

    Myth: exercise to lose weight
    Exercise does require energy, but our metabolism adjusts to that loss by storing more energy as fat the next time we eat.

    Our body is programmed to keep our biology steady, known as homeostasis, so if our energy levels are drastically changed with lots more exercise and less food, our metabolism will respond by slowing the weight loss down and eventually put it back on very quickly when we go back to normal activity and food – which is what we see in yo-yo dieters who put all the weight they initially lose back on. “Saying that exercise alone is a good way to reach a healthy weight in the long-term is complete rubbish,” Prof Spector says.

    Myth: eat less to lose weight
    This is the diet myth that Spector says trivialises food as fuel. “It goes against everything we should be teaching our children, which is that it’s the quality of food, and the difference between foods, that matters.” Key to this is that everyone is unique and differs in the way they respond to food.

    “Yes, if you lock people in prison and give them no food, they will lose weight. But with free-living people, that just doesn’t happen, because your body simply reacts as it’s supposed to to keep you alive and will change your metabolism.”

    So as soon as you stop restricted eating, the weight piles back on; this is called the weight set-point theory.

    “That’s why we yo-yo all the time. It’s a real fallacy that just restricting your calories is a long-term solution, because we’ve been trying that for the past 50 years and we’re getting fatter.”

    Myth: eat little and often
    Another fallacy is that grazing rather than gorging is a better way to maintain our blood glucose levels, and help us lose weight. Not only does constant eating mean that we never give our gut microbes a well-earned rest, it also gets harder to monitor how much you are eating in a day.

    It is a startling fact, Spector says, that “25 per cent of all our energy comes from snacking”. We all snack too much.

    He would prefer to see people having two to three meals a day and advocates the Mediterranean style of less snacking and taking twice as long as we generally do to eat a meal. “You know, then, what you’re eating and you take your time over it and you taste it. It’s very different to eating at a bus stop or in the car, or in front of the telly, which has become the British way.”

    His belief that snacking is bad is also founded on the difficulty of finding a healthy snack that doesn’t cause a surge in blood sugars that then leads to inflammation and greater hunger.

    “The Zoe team is currently researching snacks, but until that work is finished, I’d suggest eating mixed nuts or peanuts if someone finds it hard to go without something between two or three meals a day. But I think 95 per cent of snacks consumed regularly in the UK are bad for you, items such as crisps, cereal bars and low-fat yoghurts. Be especially careful if a snack claims to be healthy, as they can often be the worst.”

    Myth : Breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

    “It is the most important meal of the day” is the common rallying cry of the breakfast lover. Not so for Spector, who most days now sits down no earlier than 11am for his breakfast, ensuring 14 hours have passed since he last ate.

    Again, it’s personal. “A good breakfast is what works for you, but I recommend having a long fasting period beforehand, more than 12 hours, which might mean you need to eat earlier in the evening.

    “Breakfast has become synonymous with cereal, and maybe with toast and marmalade. Or more recently, perhaps it’s muesli, which is still breakfast cereal with a high sugar content and likely to leave you even more hungry, depending on your body’s response to sugar, in three hours’ time.”

    The concept of breakfast itself is new, Spector says, having evolved over the past century or so. That is one reason why he thinks that a majority of people, with a bit of training, could delay their breakfast or skip it completely. “For most people, that’s going to be a healthy option.”

    He has totally changed his own first meal of the day, from a typical British carbohydrate-based plateful to a black coffee. When he eats breakfast, it’s because he feels hungry or has done some exercise. It will be a high fat one with fibre and fermented foods, such as yoghurt plus kefir, fruits, mixed nuts and seeds. “And a black coffee. For me and my unique biology, this is a healthy breakfast.”

    If, when in France, he has a croissant or a baguette, it’s a nightmare. “I love them, but I’m often wearing a glucose monitor and it never fails to shock me. I’ll just have half a croissant and three hours later I’m really hungry because I’ve had a big sugar spike and a dip. Annoyingly, my wife, who has much better blood-sugar control than me, can eat them without a problem.”

    Spector’s general suggestion is to experiment with different breakfasts – high fat, high carb, or even leftover dinner – and see how you feel. “Try to get out of a rut of eating highly processed foods to break your morning fast.”

    And so on…

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  17. Druk1
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    I eat little, exercise, and often miss breakfast :oops:
  18. Anon220806
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    Too much to drink the night before?

    You are teetotal aren’t you?
  19. Druk1
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    I have never drank, ever, don't agree with alcohol,others can drink to their hearts content, just not for me.
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    Very low carbs last night for supper...... Sausage, gravy and mashed potatoes...
    "the sausage you bought have a reduced sticker"
    Yes dear.
    They are one day over the date,
    yes but they are still good to eat.
    They have dark bits in them...
    Yup, they are Lincolnshire bangers with herbs and things...
    look... look... look.. in a screeching banshee voice...:frust:
    If you don't want them, throw them in the bin....
    she went on for quite a while about buying ukay-ukay food, doing my head in...:frust:
    and there I was.. Thinking of me eating at their place in Pinas, cold food that has been man handled by millions of people and used by squadrons of flies as a breeding ground.. and her making a fuss out of a one day out of date pack of sausages....:frust::frust::frust:
    After a few more minutes of drama I got up from what I was doing, went to the kitchen and threw the sausages in the bin........
    Should have seen her face.....
    She disappears for a tampo session, which I totally ignored and after about an hour she re-emerges from the bedroom and starts cooking mungo beans rice and whatever else.
    By then I had gone off food, as it was too late to eat so I went to bed light.
    Crickey I slept a hell of a lot better.
    This morning as if nothing ever happened........
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