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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Liz Truss seams to be a popular up and coming candidate
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  2. John Stevens
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    John Stevens Active Member

    All part of the job, as for when covid got to the UK I suspect it was here in November 2019 the R number would still been low at that point so would not of spread fast at first Wuhan is a transport hub and flights from there were coming in November and December.
  3. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Well it looks like the parties at No10 are not illegal!
  4. oss
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    The native R0 of the wild type virus was about 2 to 3, Alpha was about 4.5, Delta close to 8 and Omicron looks like it is worse than measles i.e. more than 18 some estimates are putting it at over 20.

    I did some back of an envelope modelling a long time ago with an R0 of 3 and a doubling rate of 4 days regards how far and how quickly it would have spread in the UK if a single case had arrived 2-3 months earlier than the late January date that is generally accepted, we would have seen numbers like April 2020 in January 2020 if that had been the case.

    The native R0 is a dynamic number it is really a factor of available hosts and how easily a particular load of the virus infects those hosts and environment the people are in, if you introduce social distancing measures the R number drops, back then there were no measures the virus would have had free reign so it would be achieving something like 3 new infections for every 1 person infected, more in close cramped environments, and it was taking about 4 days before people were becoming infectious, so back then it would have been at the higher end of the R0 estimates not the lower end.

    The balance of probabilities in my mind is that it arrived here as thought in January 2020 probably early January maybe before the guy who was the first official case in the UK, and I think the main reason for asymptomatic cases is that people had some prior cross immunity from other HCov viruses they had caught in the 2 or 3 years prior.
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  5. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Got offered fake PCR test results earlier, genuine London test center £200,going the legal route instead :oops:
  6. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Geothermal onshore as seawater cools and is too remote.

    Floating offshore wind is the next big thing and Scotland and Norway are forging ahead with this.

    Some of the major oil and gas operators are switching to these alternative energies now.

    Look out for Hywind Tampen and Scotwind

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  7. oss
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    My nephew works on both onshore and offshore on wind farms, you're right it is a huge new market and Scotland thankfully is ahead we already generate way more than Scotland requires and export it through the interconnector.

    Will watch this later.
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  8. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Glad your symptoms are mild, PorkAdobo :like:
  9. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    A few weeks ago, my son had coronavirus first. My daughter and my wife got it a little while later.
    Their symptoms were feeling hot and cold and also headaches.
    They are all negative now.

    I did not catch it as I was in a hotel for many of those days and I hid away in one bedroom when I was at home.
    It was stressful for all of us.

    My wife and I had both jabs and the booster.
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  10. Anon220806
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    I and my family possibly had it before it was recognised in the U.K. Other than that we have no evidence that anyone of us has had it whatsoever despite the kid being at school and me and the Mrs going out to work. In truth we probably have had it but showed no symptoms except way back in about Feb / March before it all kicked off.

    The kids best mate and her entire family had it, testing positive. One of the brothers caught it and died but he was immuno compromised. But my daughter either didn’t have it or had it without symptoms.

    I am a believer in vaccination but am also a believer in the need to have a healthy metabolism.
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  11. Anon220806
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    It’s been a tough one to grasp for some, I know….

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  12. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    The pomposity of some folk eh..
  13. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Vaccinations in the UK are still going on - We are taking both of our children to the vaccination centre this afternoon.
  14. Anon220806
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    I am very much pro vax. But if we eat the right food, Covid bounces off us. I believe that vaccinations have been crucial for the metabolically unhealthy. The Covid vaccination programme is great but not necessary for the metabolically healthy.
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  15. oss
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    Sorry I have to disagree with that, it's a generalisation and it has not been specifically studied or proved in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Likewise I happen to believe that my vitamin D status is a contributing factor as to why I've personally never tested positive in spite of having multiple sets of cold like symptoms this last 6 months, I want to believe that but I have no proof and I would be generalising if I made that specific connection or assertion.

    Throughout the pandemic there have been many many cases of young and fit people who had no reason to suspect any metabolic disfunction dying from this virus, I read some statistics a while ago that showed plenty of non obese people dying in all age groups, and yes obesity is not the only the only way to have a metabolic disorder but without direct specific studies tracking and measuring Covid-19 mortality as a function of specific metabolic disorders none of us can make this specific assertion.
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  16. walesrob
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    I'm 54, suffered lifelong allergy to sorts of stuff (mostly food), have high blood pressure, but Covid seems to have passed me by. I've had all 3 jabs, worked in frontline retail for many years.

    Elsa had Covid last week, but it didn't touch me. She is a health care support in the local A & E and has all manner of jabs - flu, Covid, etc. She suffered badly, I think she had Covid and Norovirus at the same time, 2 days of throwing up, a headache lasting 7 days, and coughing still persisting now 2 weeks later.

    I'm one of those rare types that doesn't get colds, I can be out in the cold for hours at a time (and I have been doing so in my current job for 14 years) and it just doesn't bother me. Maybe my 50/50 Welsh/Scottish mix makes me a hardy fellow!

    Forgot to add, I have excellent metabolism, so its a plus.
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  17. oss
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    High blood pressure is considered a metabolic disorder Rob, and my obesity would have been considered a metabolic disorder as well, technically still is for me, SARS-CoV-2 was most lethal when it presented as a lower respiratory illness as that resulted in gummed up alveoli in the lungs and part of the reason for that was fluid leakage across blood vessel boundaries caused by the virus but that was not the only way it killed, similar leakage in other vital organs including the brain and kidneys caused many fatalities, so much so that many researchers started to classify it as a blood disorder instead of a respiratory infection.

    The vaccines removed the naïve immune response and overreaction of that immune response which was the primary cause of death, the so called cytokine storm, and some of us may have had slightly less naïve immune systems due to prior recent infection with other coronaviruses which is possibly why so many asymptomatic cases existed in the early days and even now a lot of vaccinated individuals who go get a PCR test for travel turn out to be Covid positive when they have no symptoms at all, one of our senior field staff had to abandon his flight to Africa a few weeks ago for this very reason and we only sent half the team we needed over there.
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  18. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Aged 64 and last well man check was on the button!
    Fully jabbed and even got a month long holiday in Europe during the pendemic.

    One life live it
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  19. Druk1
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    We are here for a good time, not a long time, live it :like:
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  20. CatchFriday
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

    This is your opinion and this is how you perceive things, please do not expect me to agree with it, as I am pro vaccine. I had the three vaccines, they gave some protection.
    I was trained in public health by the NHS and am a retired district nurse, and I had my niece die of COVID before the vaccine came out.
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