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General Election - June 8th

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Maharg, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Methersgate
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  2. Markham
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    I may well have done, Andrew, but if you recall, ordinary members of the Conservative Party (and I am not one) did not have a say in who would lead the party after Cameron picked-up his ball and left the field. I personally would have preferred Michael Gove.

    The choice at this General Election is between her and Corbyn and I really can not imagine a universe where you'd advocate for Corbyn!
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    If we're talking about uncomfortable truths, how about this which is emblazoned on Nick Clegg's website:

    Nick Clegg   PPC for Sheffield Hallam.png

    Why is he appealing for £25 donations to fund his campaign when he has earned around £300,000* since the last General Election two years ago and yet he has taken part in fewer than one-third of the votes in Parliament during that time? His 15,000 majority in 2010 shrank to 2,300 in 2015; could it be that he doesn't want to gamble his own money in his attempt to cling-on?

    *On top of his MP's salary, he's cashed in on the lecture circuit, with declared earnings of £99,540 in 2015-16 and £181,000 in the last financial year.
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    Im rushing to my internet bank log in right now!!
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  5. Timmers
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    Yeah right, you and one other (our Andrew) :)
  6. Markham
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    Well that's interesting .... it would appear that Nick Clegg probably managed to retain his Parliamentary seat in 2015 thanks to tactical voting. By the Tories!! The Guardian explains. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Labour takes this seat.
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    Interesting to see the Corbyn and May debate tonight, the biggest thing I took from it is that JC would not be a good leader in the event the UK went to war, for me he talks about having dialogue too much, he would still be talking when foreign invaders were driving their tanks down Downing street :)
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  11. Timmers
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    I like watching these clips, mixes fun with fact :)
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  13. Timmers
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    If she loses the election I will donate £100 to a charity of your choice, maybe the Lib Dems :)
  14. Methersgate
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    Much as I would love to see that, I cannot be so optimistic. The wheels are coming off her chariot, and she is increasingly being shown up as the inadequate politician that we, here, all know her to be, from her six reign at the almost completely dysfunctional Home Office, but she will still win.

    Oh, in answer to your question, yes, I would prefer Corbyn to May.
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    I'm not a big fan off JC but have to admit he came across well last night.
  16. Methersgate
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    Neither am I (I'm a card carrying LibDem) but I think that the Tory strategy of "demonising" Corbyn is quite likely to backfire - he does come over as someone whom one might happily chat to, and who genuinely means what he says, whilst spending time with Mrs May would be disagreeable and she clearly doesn't mean what she says, as shown by her long series of reversals of her position...

    Brexit - was against, is now for... (in the most severe form)
    Increase in NI for the self employed ( was for -reversed in a week, leaving Philip Hammond waving in the breeze)
    Snap election -nuff said
    Dementia tax...

    and so on...
  17. DJB
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    I was watching Mrs Dismay last night and couldn't help thinking she was slowly but surely morphing into Mrs Thatcher.
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  18. Timmers
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    That wouldn't be a bad thing, we could do with a Thatcher like figure to get us through the upcoming Brexit negotiations.
  19. Markham
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    Well I am surprised. You were once a card-carrying member of the Labour Party who followed when Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams left to form the Social Democratic Party in 1981. They - and you (and I know this because you told me) - were very concerned by the leftward lurching of Labour and its infiltration by Trotskyists. That is pretty much what has happened again to Labour since Corbyn took over. You didn't support Labour then and yet you would prefer a Trotskyist government now?
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    I think that her "minders" have told her that this is what she must do to appeal to large numbers of elderly voters who idolise Mrs T.

    The fact that Mrs M is committed to dismantling Mrs T's legacy - in many ways, but including Government intervention in the economy and particularly in leaving the Single Market which was Mrs T's greatest legacy (she truly DID understand economics, which Mrs M does not) can be hidden from the typical voter who just wants Mrs T all over again,
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